mitt romney, purely because he spent most of the year debating against very good debaters like newt gingrich and rick santorum and others. they were very capable opponents on a debate stage. barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would caution you a little bit. i think the president, when he has given kind of press interviews, that is a form of being pressed on things so maybe you're not debating another opponent one-on-one, but you are going through the process of answering questions and tough questions and people are not letting you squirm out of things. i think you do have to pull that down a little bit. i do believe that mitt romney has not demonstrated that he's agile. he's not kind of light on his feet. so the idea that if you had a tough spot in a debate, whether the moderator pushed or obama pushed and could romney not talking from